Rex Burkhead , RB - 3rd Round - Million Dollar Man

[Macho Man]

The RFAA starts on 4/7/18 at 10:00 am EST. Do not place any bids before that time. The 24 timer begins on any RFAA player when an opening bid exceeding the starting price is placed on said player.

Make sure you understand Section O.1 of the Constitution before placing a bid. Invalid bids will NOT count. All bids must state the amount of your bid and the draft pick compensation that will accompany it.

Auction on this player ends on 4/21/18 at 10am EST if no opening bid is placed before that time OR after 24 hours passes without the high bid changing hands after an opening bid is placed.

Teams that placed the tag on this player have the right to match any bid by simply replying "MATCH", you do not need to raise the bidder higher, only match the high bid to be the current high bidder.

Starting Price - $25 GB

[Macho Man]

26 GB and 2019 3rd Round Pick.

[The Rock]

$30 and pick 3.12 or 2019 3rd from Rock if 3.12 is unavailable

[Macho Man]

This is an invalid bid. Exact compensation must be stated. If/then bids are not valid.

[Macho Man]

You also cannot use a 2019 pick as compensation if you possess a 2018 pick of the same.

[The Rock]

Apr 12, 2018 0:05:48 GMT Macho Man said:

This is an invalid bid. Exact compensation must be stated. If/then bids are not valid.

Ok so rules don’t exactly explain or I couldn’t find clarification so can I ask for now and future reference....can I just bid with my 3.12 and if that bid is won in another auction then use my 3.3 as compensation? So long as I have adequate compensation for the bid? Or do I have to specify my bid as 3.3 just in case my 3.12 is gone ? That would mean I can’t use any of my 2019 picks. With 4 3rd round picks I should be able to bid on up to 4 players with 3rd round tags as long as I have GBs correct ?

[Macho Man]

I don'texactly understand all of your question, however, I did notice that for some reason, these specific rules which were taken from Gangland did not copy over as intended. If you look at Gangland's RFAA rules you'll see this:

i) A pick in the next subsequent rookie draft (i.e. 2017 RFA using a 2018 pick) is allow ONLY if no 2017 pick is owned.
j) Using a 2nd round 2018 pick because you already have in play all your 2017 2nd round picks is not allowed.

The fact that it didn't transfer into this rulebook was in error and that is my fault, however, the rules regarding this process were always meant to be the same and the rules have been updated. The intention behind this rule is to prevent people from using subsequent year compensation while being able to retain current year compensation. The if/then bids are unfair to the tagging team as those teams deserve to make their decision on whether or not to match based on the exact compensation they will be receiving rather than an if/then scenario of another team.

Again, I apologize the rule did not get transferred properly, but these are the rules we've been playing with for 5 years and we're going to keep it that way. The rules have been updated.

[The Rock]

So what happens if I bid using my 3.12 and win this auction as well as another auction that I used my 3.12 ? The way you explain the rules it would mean I could never use a 2019 pick unless I had zero 2018 picks unless one of them can be a contingency pick. That’s how it works for taxi squads

I should be able to bid here with the 3.12 and if that pick gets used then replace it with the 3.3 or another 3rd shouldn’t I ?

[Macho Man]

No you shouldn’t, that would mean your placing multiple bids with the same pick. I’m sorry you don’t understand or agree with the way the rules are, but they are in place for reasons I mentioned above.

[The Rock]

Apr 12, 2018 13:13:39 GMT Macho Man said:

No you shouldn’t, that would mean your placing multiple bids with the same pick. I’m sorry you don’t understand or agree with the way the rules are, but they are in place for reasons I mentioned above.

It's all in how you interpret the rules. The way you explain it, no team can ever use next year's picks to bid on a player if they have a current year pick.  As an example, if I have a 2018 1st and a 2019 1st I could not bid on two players.  That just doesn't seem right or seem to be in the best interest of the league.  I think it warrants more discussion and possibly brought up for a slight change or clarification in the rules. 

I do understand why these rules are in place but I don't think they should prohibit bidding. If I have picks available I should be able to use them for bidding. I think I should be able to use up to 4 3rd round picks for bids but using this logic I can ONLY use my 2 2018 picks?

[Macho Man]

You are right in the sense that you cannot bid on two players at the same time, however, that does not mean you could NEVER use next year's picks to bid on a player. If you win a player with the current years pick, then you no longer have that pick and, at that point, you could bid on another player using your future pick.

Bidding is restricted by a set of rules for a reason and the reason behind this rule is simple. The tagging team should be able to decide whether or not to match a bid based on the compensation offered, not "maybe it will be this or maybe it will be that" compensation. This seems right to be me. What doesn't seem right is to bypass the aforementioned concern so that people can place multiple bids on different players at the same time using the same compensation like the RFAA is some sort of free-for-all.

[Macho Man]

This auction is now over. Macho Man will be awarded Rex Burkhead, RB NE and The Million Dollar Man will receive Macho Man's 2019 3rd Round pick as well as 5 GB (20% of the winning $26 bid). This transaction will be processed once the RFAA is complete.

[The Rock]

Apr 12, 2018 19:11:30 GMT Macho Man said:

You are right in the sense that you cannot bid on two players at the same time, however, that does not mean you could NEVER use next year's picks to bid on a player. If you win a player with the current years pick, then you no longer have that pick and, at that point, you could bid on another player using your future pick.

Bidding is restricted by a set of rules for a reason and the reason behind this rule is simple. The tagging team should be able to decide whether or not to match a bid based on the compensation offered, not "maybe it will be this or maybe it will be that" compensation. This seems right to be me. What doesn't seem right is to bypass the aforementioned concern so that people can place multiple bids on different players at the same time using the same compensation like the RFAA is some sort of free-for-all.

You do realize that this wording means if I have 4 3rd round picks - 2 this year and 2 next year and Team B has 4 picks next year, then Team B can bid on four  players, while I can only bid on 2 until the 2 players I am done bidding on are decided. By that time all the auctions are over, as witnessed just now with Burkhead.  So if the point is to force you to use current year picks first, as they are "more valuable" this leaves a loophole and does the exact opposite giving Team B an advantage to bid on MORE players with WORSE picks.  How does that sound fair or reasonable? 

[Macho Man]

I do realize this. The problem with what you are suggesting is that you could, for example, bid 3.12 on a player and then bid your 2019 3rd on a different player, get outbid on 3.12, but win the player for which you bid the future 3rd, thus allowing you to keep the current 3.12 pick. This could be easily manipulated. Rules are a balancing act and perhaps its not perfect, but the fact remains you could have bid on Burkhead with 3.03, but you opted not to. I have to lock this thread now, which I do for all completed auctions, if you would like to keep going with this your welcome to on the league business board.